The O.T.Pack canoe is my first. One of the reasons I went from a kayak back to a canoe was so I would have a choice in either sitting or kneeling. Not great in wind, but good craft for fishing calm waters and wind protected water, quite stable with minimal gear. I am a little late on reviewing a canoe that has been around as long as the Pack. It also scared the heck out of my crew when they would shift their weight around but we never came close to taking in water. Absolutely, without question, the best value in the canoe world. Legend has it that pack canoes originate in the late 1800s in the Adirondacks of NY. So I came back home open to other options, and started surfing Craigslist only to find a like new OT Pack. This shows the importance of research before you buy. You can get lighter solo canoes but they are usually kevlar and very expensive and fragile. I knew that as a newbie, I would abuse any boat. Grumman 12’ 9” Solo. I moved my seat about 11 inches forward (and moved the bow/front thwart forward just enough for knee room, and installed a new stern/rear thwart using the rear-most holes from the prior seat location). I've found with a bit of heel to the side of the paddle the turning pressures are balanced out and the result is a nice, straight and surprisingly quiet glide. Not good in heavy wind/waves, but I didn't expect it to be. I paddle my Pack backwards so to speak, bracing against the thwart and using the seat as a surface for my compass, camera, and other things. Thanks Joe and Charlie. I have had my Old Town Pack for about 20 years, and it has served me well. Old Town entered the canoe market as a builder of canvas-covered wooden canoes. Initially I was concerned about elbows hitting on the gunwales, but this is not a problem - nice surprise. Although I've paddled for many years, my first (purchased) boat was a Coleman Ram-16 canoe. Despite the load range recommendations, I would never exceed 350 pounds in this canoe. Le canoë reste une embarcation accessible à tout niveau de pratique et il est prohibé en mer du fait de sa forte prise au vent et de sa submersibilité… Les tendances. The Pack easily accepts my mods, foam pads on the bottom to protect the hull and keep the dog happy. Generally exceeded expectations. It is very difficult to place a yoke- and in the case of the Pack canoe it must be a clamp on yoke- on center and still find enough room to fit ones pack and head on either side of it up in the canoe. The padded seats, rod holders and extra storage are nice for extra gear. The canoe is much more stable and seems to track better as well. I have had my Pack for 7 years and have taken over 100 trips. A few minutes later, the Pack showed up, now in the bed of an aluminum jonboat being hauled by one of our party. Main use has been for fishing on class 1 to 3 whitewater and sheltered flat water. I sit to paddle and use a good canoe paddle, if I need stability I kneel. Once you get used to getting in and out of it and determine where to put your feet, it's just like any larger canoe. Today I took it out again and paddled around two different lakes in my area. I typically paddle with a single blade but have purchased a Bending Branches 260cm double blade which helps in the wind. It is incredibly light. Unlike other reviewers, I actually raised the seat from its original position in order to better fit my legs underneath it for kneeling. I decided on this boat because of the reviews here and the kind of creeks and rivers here. Just got mine and took it out for a quick paddle. Is it tippy? It's light to portage and get on and off the roof of a sedan with foam blocks at a light weight of about 35lbs. This canoe is multi-purpose for sure, but I think the ultimate use is for packing gear for camping. For portages lasting less than 1/4 mile it is often easier to carry on the shoulder and to use the painter line lashed back to the seat for extra support. I was initially drawn to the Pack model canoe because of its light weight (like most other people) but have since then been very impressed by other traits as well. De longues traversées avec le Canoe Charles River 15 vous attendent. Having read the reviews from this site before the purchase, I was anticipating an unstable canoe that would require lowering the seat. I had a problem with lowering the seat. Obviously, I don't keep up with my kayaking companions when out with fellow paddlers while using my 54" paddle but that could easily be remedied by getting a yak paddle - but I like the art of paddling more than racing the canoe. Other Web Sites in the ConsumerReview Network: mtbr.com | You'll be using it more than you realize. A few weeks ago I set out from St Joe, Missouri in my trusty Pack. Portaging is a breeze. Shouldered the boat with fishing rod inside and carried about 150 yards to the pond. I don't know what folks are talking about when they say this boat is tippy, maybe they haven't been on the water much. But, unlike a full-size, 2-man canoe, I cannot climb back into it on water if I jump out to swim. Well, it is a canoe and not a John boat, but I have to say for a canoe of its dimensions it ain't too bad. I use it as a solo canoe or take out the seat and cross member, load it up with gear for 10 to 15 day camping/fishing trips and tow it to an island behind my kayak. It turns out they are hard to find used in my area since they are no longer made, and in Royalex for that matter. I can paddle my Pack on one side all day long and all I do is turn my wrist at the end of my stroke and use my paddle as a rudder to make her go where I want. Yes, it isn't the best at tracking but if you have some experience and don't rush it, it does what you want it to. The Old Town Canoe Company has been making quality canoes and kayaks for more than a century, building a reputation as one of the foremost leaders of the canoe and kayak industry. I have had a Pack for 3 years. Able to paddle upstream in rain-swollen current with 230 cm double-bladed paddle. For reference, I'm 6'3, and 250lbs. Plenty of room for fishing gear and/or weekend camping. We did change out the seat and move the new seat forward 3" to trim the craft out and bring the bow down slightly. I've tried kneeling and sitting on the seat. The Pack is a canoe brought to you by Old Town Canoe and Kayak. Just caught a 9 lb snook that would have been scared away by a bigger boat or a motor - he almost pulled me back into the cover I hooked him in. I have loaded my Pack with five days worth of provisions, including a reclining lawn chair, for a summer trip down the John Day River in Oregon. It's not the total weight; it's the distribution. The boat does exactly what is expected of it and I look forward to enjoying it for years to come. That didn’t help tracking much and the shafts hit the gunnels and dripped into the boat. Still had a great time, didn't swamp. I am basically a novice, and find the Pack a little unstable, so Im th O.K. I bought it because rental companies in the Asheville area didn't permit me to bring along my trusty canine companions for fear of what?..I don't know. Thank goodness for eBay, where you can get a quality webbed seat for just $19.99 + s/h. Review . I give it a 10 because it's exactly what I wanted: low-cost, lightweight, tough. The Canoe at 33lbs replaced my 54lb Kayak. It does everything you ask of it. Sturdy fishing boat – I had no problems pulling in a 28" northern pike while fishing in it (though the pike did tug the Pack around a bit before he tired and I could get him in the boat! It's not really even faded much, despite the annual saltwater trips. Over time, they have merged technology with tradition to make the finest kayaks available. My Pack once spent a couple of years continuously on the top of my truck with no apparent adverse effects. I forgot to bring the GPS so could not check hull speed but I easily kept up and passed Odile in my WS Mallard kayak. This canoe will swamp, and it just barely floats when full of water, but it is not really a white water boat anyway, particularly considering the slight keel. It has great stability, both primary and secondary, which is nice when the dog in the bow decides to look off the port and starboard alternately. I LOVE this boat after that! Canoe Review: Old Town Next Borrowing from the pack canoe tradition, the Old Town’s new NEXT injects twenty-first century flair, with modern tech, spiffy color options and an ultra-comfortable kayak-style seat, into an enduring design. With one of my kayak paddles, she handled well. With the perfect balance of speed, stability and capacity, our fishing canoes are a versatile choice for anglers and sportsman alike. If you try to put too much power into your stroke the tracking is poor, but using a double bladed paddle allows alternating power from side to side to keep you pointing where you want to go. I fish frequently from my Pack canoe, spending many hours on the water without issue. I fashioned a kayak paddle by joining 2 spare raft oars with a coupler, and was very impressed with the improved speed and tracking. I will add an anchor trolley and then take it to a new steelhead hole my son found on the MacKenzie (I can carry it upstream of the hole and drift in). I still use a single bladed wooden paddle because I like the romance of keeping things as simple and in character with canoeing as possible. I know this canoe has a great following, and being a solo canoer I felt I had to have one (not so much I would pay the gouging prices some folks are charging since they discontinued it). This is a first for me. Old Town Discovery 119 Solo Old Town NEXT solo Wooden Boat USA Old Modern 16; Table of Contents. It is not my first canoe but it has been my favorite. The weight of the Pack and my desire for a solo boat were the reasons I was still interested. But I love this canoe for its ease of loading/unloading from atop a vehicle, lightness, carrying capacity for my gear and simplicity. I've had my Pack for several years; I love it. As someone who had primarily paddled Clipper fiberglass canoes with rigid hulls, and felt that was what I preferred, I was reluctant about buying the Pack. I have used it mainly in rocky easy class 1 - 2 stuff. I lowered the seat on mine 1.5". Get along well with it and can even occasionally be stressed with a partner in the bow but I would put it's weight capacity for realistic canoeing at 500 pounds as your max. Portaging is a one step process with the ability to carry my gear and boat in one go. Pack CanoeSelling my 33 Pound Old Town Pack Canoe PackageSelling ONLY as a package2- Excellent paddles, life jacket, fishing crateMy Old Town Pack Canoe is made of extremely durable and tough Royalex which is why the canoe weights only 33 pounds.Very easy to roof onto your vehicle or carry back to a hidden stream.The flat bottom creates a very stable canoe with a 32 bottom … Old Town Pack Canoe; 1 Reviews; 5 of 5; Last Review On: 04/14/2005 ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ Old Town Penobscot 16 Canoe; 3 Reviews; 5 of 5; Last Review On: 04/14/2005 ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ Dagger Ovation; 1 Reviews; 5 of 5; Last Review On: 12/21/2003 ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ Dagger Ocoee; 4 Reviews; 5 of 5; Last Review On: 09/19/2003 ★ ★ ★ This is very close to where the seats on my other solo canoes (Moccasin, Serenade, Ladybug) are set for my size paddler to get optimum trim when unloaded, except for me! It is amazing what you can pack in a canoe over a kayak. Tip it over, get wet, have some fun. I did not lower the seat but I made an Adirondack style seat back that folds down for storage/transport. Of course the big plus is the low weight. The Royalex hull scratches easily, but is almost bulletproof (the scars make it look better to me!). So far sitting on the seat with my legs out before me balances me best and doesn't make my ankles go to sleep. The Pack tracked much worse than expected, solo and tandem. I have not taken this canoe camping, but it does just fine with enough gear for fishing and day trips. It is a great boat patterened after the "Little Nessie" of solo paddling fame. This canoe customizes easily: you can convert it into a rowboat by adding oarlocks (available with installation instructions from the mfr., Old Town) and a 5.5ft set of oars from Carlisle. On flat water it goes about 4km./Hr. Above all I want to keep her as light as possible. I'm used to portaging an Old Town Discovery 158 so the 33 pound Pack is just amazing in comparison. The canoe did sustain a slight dent in the bow, but only because I hit a rock "hard", and square-on, in some light white water. Both front and rear of my canoe have dents now but it's still working fine. I do disagree with some who indict its stability. Everything is more fun with them...even when they jump off or tip the canoe to chase cows that are bathing in the River. If you want another boat to add to your fleet, the Pack is a great value. I've used this canoe in the early dark hours of the morning with no concerns of tipping. dog in the front. Now my Pack is my only boat, it's great for anything I want to do on the water. Can't say enough great things about my Pack. So if you’re looking for a lightweight lake or class I-II river canoe, learn from our mistake. As currently configured, my OT Pack would rate a 10/10, but as supplied, it has some issues, and I gave it a 7 out of 10. For a single paddler I am glad I purchased this canoe. I use the seat in what I think is the factory position, which is with 1.5" drop-downs from the gunnel. I have paddled from Rosman to as far as The Wedge in Asheville...always with my dogs aboard and once with my sister even though they say its a 1 person canoe you can have 2 smaller people plus dogs in it if the 2nd person willing to sit on floor in the front. Paddling was easy! I love kayaking and had never really canoed before this boat but the ability to include my big dogs with me was the main reason I went with the canoe. I cut a new thwart, added eye-bolts to keep my gear IN the boat, made a deck-pad for my dog and took it on the local lake for a test-paddle. The Pack is a terrific canoe for when I go solo. The Pack will not replace the others for long trips or camping, but will be really nice for easy paddles in small water. PROS: Very stable out of the box. My friends who use the conventional duck sciffs wished they had a pack. It is very light, and also very easy to paddle. Remains to be seen how close I actually was to buns up in the drink, but it was a wake up. You will enjoy this versatile craft, but there are some drawbacks. I am a big guy 6'2" and never felt crowded. I alternated days in my Old Town Cayuga 14 kayak, and the Pack canoe is so much more fun and much easier on my legs than the Cayuga (also one of the best values on the market.). All considered, I think this is one of the great canoes ever made, and one that gets a lot less publicity than it deserves. I was on the fence between the Pack and the dealer-recommended, more-expensive Wenonahs. Actually surprised by stability compared to my 25 year old Katahdin 12 by Old Town which is a barge with 40" beam. Also don't expect it to handle any serious type II rapids unless you like being swamped!! Coming in at 63 years of age, I am not the most agile, but I must say, I am very impressed with the stability of my Pack canoe. Despite the shining reviews of others, I really dislike this canoe. Of course there are better boats in the wind but what do you expect from a little 12' boat with minimal keel? I have however taken her out on a large lake in the front of the Pack, and it was a fine introduction to canoeing for her. See complete description. I thought I was a dead man! < P> I've had my Pack for 30 years and although we have other canoes in our fleet this is the one I use 90% of the time, from river and creek cruising to the Boundary Waters to exploring the coastal waters of Virginia and the Carolinas. The Pack 12 canoe ruined our canoeing this summer. Made for solo use and well-suited for double-bladed paddle. Looks like a pretty good fishing platform, I checked out http://www.derekspace.net/fishpic19.htm for some really creative and useful modification ideas, thanks for sharing! I've wanted an Old Town Pack since I first saw one. I've been looking for a smaller canoe for awhile now. 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